Wednesday, January 27, 2010

Marina dear,do try harder next time you wanna show how "Con"fident you are


Tun..... what's going on with your little girl sir?

You must send her to my elementary googling class for wannabe bloggers who want to enter into National Level debate......(or maybe Global la in this case....)

It took me just a couple of minutes to go thru her "oh gua terjumpa something very important one to share with my gullible readers" who are made up of melayus bangang and apek tak pernah baca buku crowd.....and to point out possible inconsistency in the references which she made.....

First fact of the so called letter by the prophet (s.a.w)....is that it is probably a fake.....

I asked the same thing as per the link above what happen to Jizyah? Which is tax imposed on those who do not want to submit to Islam.......

How could the Prophet (S.A.W) treat the aloof Christians of Najran differently than the Mt.Sinai

This particular meeting with the Najrans is also a very key benchmark to "inter-faith" discussions..

in this meeting the key verses of Ali-Imran was revealed...in which the Najrans who believed in the 3 in 1 dogma was challenged with the Quranic Christology that Allah does not have a Son and that you have gone off tangent from the straight path......ever since that day the Christians globally is challenged from a theological perspective....



For details about the Najran meeting go here and here


Let us look at the tone of the 2 letters by the Prophet....

In the name the Lord of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Ya'qub

This is a letter from Muhammad, the Prophet and Messenger of Allah to the Bishop of Najran: I Praise and glorify the Lord of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Ya'qub, and invite you all to worship Allah instead of worshipping His creatures, so that you may come out of the guardianship of the creatures of Allah and take place under the guardianship of Allah Himself. And in case you do not accept my invitation you must (at least) pay Jizyah (tribute) to the Islamic Government (in lieu of which it will undertake the protection of your lives and property), failing which you are hereby warned of dangerous consequences.
The letter to Najran

"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.

No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.

No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.

Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."


the fakey sounding letter....of Mt Sinai



if you think this monkey mau kencing sama lu pergi check sendiri kat sini

If you all want to know how a real letter looks like and the kind of message is being sent by the Prophet go here and check out the pictures and especially the seal at the end of the letters

this is where it get a little bit tricky.....

No one is really sure when the jizyah versus was revealed was it after the Mecca conquest or before?

Another thing any sane minded person should ask is that Sinai was in Eqypt....did Islam ever went there in 628 AD? Was the Sinai Monastery in any threat at all?

And if you are a Muslim who believes in the Hadith of the Prophet....perhaps you should re-read this one......

Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:
Narrated Abu Huraira

How now Marina still confident?

Of course la you would say that your whole post was about the usage of Allah during Prophet's time by the Christians "Arabs"......

That one is also questionable as there was no Bible ever produced during that time in Arabic...the earliest Christian Literature in Arabic the Mt Sinai Codex 151 came much later......(this will be explained in my future post on this particular subject kalu gua tak malas la)

next time dear ...when you want to use Prophet's words you must be pretty sure about the authenticity of your reference materials.....

but if your audience is the malas baca malas pikir kinda crowd....then what can i say sista.....

Oh one more thing......ni ape cita kepala babi kat Masjid ......lu orang biar serious apa sudah jadi kat KL ni......



Minds are like parachutes; they work best when open. -Lord Thomas Dewer