Wednesday, October 23, 2013

The Swinging Pendulum of Isa Al Masih and Yesus Kristus

The recent judgment delivered by the Court of Appeal against the Herald newspaper has raised serious concerns to many Malaysians, especially the Christian community. As President of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Malaysia, I hereby state that that the three Judges were grossly misinformed when concluding that the word  Allah was “not the essential or integral part of the religion of Christianity”. 
The First Article of Faith in the Catholic Creed and for all Christians is: “I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth”.  Any Christian who denies or modifies this statement of faith, incurs excommunication and would be considered a heretic. It is to be noted that for centuries the Bahasa Malaysia translation and the Arabic equivalent of the one God, is the sacred word Allah, which the Christians have been using peacefully.
 Hence, to conclude that the word Allah is not essential to the Christian faith would be a grave denial of the fundamental right of the Bahasa Malaysia speaking Christian community to use this word in prayer, worship services, prayer books, the Alkitab and other publications. This would be tantamount to signaling a form of persecution.
There are thousands of Bahasa Malaysia speaking Christians from Sabah and Sarawak in Semenanjung Malaysia: students in institutes of higher learning, armed forces personnel, police personnel, civil servants and others in the private sector, many of whom reside here with their families.  Already more than half of our Parish Churches and Chapels in Semenanjung Malaysia conduct at least one worship service or catechism lessons weekly in Bahasa Malaysia.
As committed religious leaders, we have to ensure that we respectfully minister to them in the national language. For this reason then, we do not accept the statement of these judges and stand in solidarity with other church leaders who have also emphatically voiced their objection. We are heartened that other religious leaders and organisations have echoed similar sentiments. 
We, together with all peoples of goodwill, invoke the good sense of the thousands of Malay brothers and sisters, many of whom have greatly benefitted from the education offered in our mission schools and are familiar with our belief in God, to allow us to continue peacefully with our use of the sacred word Allah.
We urge the Prime Minister to take positive steps to stop the indoctrination of unwitting Malays by individuals and organisations from swinging towards a divisive radicalism.    
We continue to pray that God will bless and enlighten all Malaysians to accept one another in unity and diversity.  – October 21, 2013.

Archbishop Tan Sri Murphy Pakiam is President of Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Malaysia.(here)
Dear Tan Sri Murphy
I know that over the years I've been calling you names like macha dll lagi la kut but today gua promise tak panggil lu nama macha macha...opps sorry macam macam...
Actually I ada nak tanye you satu soalan yang dah dekat dua tahun I duk tanye kat Cyberspace...nak dengar straight daripada mulut you takut nanti I jadi "grossly misinformed" macham the 3 judges.
Soalan ini ada kaitan dengan penggunaan Isa Al Masih dan Yesus Kristus di dalam dalam kitab kitab suci anda..


Sekejap Isa sekejap Yesus poning den!
Sometimes I wonder if Isa was too Islamic for you folks.....
Pelik doe tetibe aje bukan nama mamat tepi jalan beb...ini nama Anak Tuhan Allah
Tolonglah Tan Sri saya rasa saya teramatlah grossly misinformed about this issue...

Can you help please...cause from my understanding the marketing plan for this region is to get folks to worship Isa and Tuhan Allah while still retaining an outward presence as "Muslims"

C1 is a traditional Christian church which either reflects the culture of foreign Christians or that of the minority indigenous national church. Many English-speaking churches in former British colonies are good examples of the prior, while most Coptic churches of Egypt are good examples of the later. In either case, Travis writes,“A huge cultural chasm often exists between the [C1] church and the surrounding Muslim community” (1998:407). C1 churches speak neither the daily language nor the religious terminology of the local Muslim population. C1 believers identify themselves as “Christians.”

C2 is basically the same as C1, except C2 churches use the daily language of the surrounding Muslim population. Like C1, C2 churches avoid Islamic terminology and instead use a distinctively “Christian” vocabulary for religious description. The cultural chasm between C2 believers and the surrounding Muslim community is often still huge. C2 believers identify themselves as “Christians.”

C3 churches are essentially the same as C2, except C3 makes use of local music styles, dress, art and other indigenous cultural elements. C3 makes a clear distinction between practices that are purely “cultural” and those which are “Islamic.” Islamic norms are rejected. Travis writes, “The aim is to reduce foreignness of the Gospel and the church by contextualizing to biblically permissible cultural forms (1998:408). C3 believers also identify themselves as “Christians.”

C4 congregations are much like C3 but have also adopted biblically permissible Islamic forms and practices (e.g.,praying prostrate, perhaps toward Jerusalem; washing before prayer and before touching the Bible; abstaining from pork, alcohol, or from keeping dogs as pets; using some Islamic terms; wearing some clothing popular among Muslims). To distance themselves from the negative baggage and misperceptions Muslims have about “Christianity,” C4 believers do not call themselves “Christians” but “followers of Isa (Jesus).” However, the Muslim community does not generally regard C4 believers as fellow Muslims. From a Muslim’s perspective, “If they were Muslims, they wouldn’t hesitate to call themselves Muslims. And we’d see them at the mosque on Fridays as well!”

C5 is much like C4 with the primary difference being self-identity. Whereas C4 believers identify themselves a “followers of Isa,” C5 believers identify themselves as “Muslim follower of Jesus”—much like Messianic Jew calling themselves “Jewish follower of Jesus.” Islamic theology incompatible with the Bible is rejected. Some C5believers remain in the Muslim community for as long as they can to “win Muslims as Muslims” (1 Cor. 9:19–23). In time, however, their deviance from mainstream Islamic theology may lead to their banishment from the Muslim community. But where whole communities of Muslims begin to follow Jesus, the local mosque may transform into a Messianic Mosque for Jesus. Some C5 believers desire to distance themselves from the mosque and Islam, still preferring to maintain their identity as Muslim followers of Jesus. In contrast to C4, Muslims view C5 believers as Muslim, though perhaps “a strange kind of Muslim.” Most Muslims have never met Muslims who “follow Jesus,” so the curiosity that results from their identification often leads to open doors to share their faith in Christ.

Drawing Muslims: Joshua Massey

International Journal of Frontier Missions, Vol. 17:1 Spring 2000
Cuba cerita sikit boleh tak Tan Sri sebenarnya rasa ada pelik lain macham sikit bila pasal nama Allah you orang stress giler babeng tapi nama anak dia selamba dog tukar sana sini?

Tabulebela la Tan Sri....lain macham sikit la kalau sekejap saya panggil Tan Sri Murphy pastu tahun depan kasi panggil Tan Sri Mokpi ka itu macham...tara pelik ka Tan Sri?

Anyway kalau saya boleh recommend la Tan Sri baik you pakai Isa....senang sikit kut penetration into C4-C6 group....
Mana bole itu machem.....ini Tan Sri sanggup ikut peraturan States of the Federation tak bole nak dakwah kat the Muslims.......Ini Tan Sri musti sanggup berdiri depan Tuhan Yesus Kristus@Isa Al Maseh@Isa Al Masih@.Dan lain lain lagi punya version punya nama.
Bila Tuhan Yesus tanya pehal lu tak dakwah to all budget dia nak jawap apa? Najib Razak tak bagi?
Lu budget sanggup tak ini Tan Sri patuh akan aturan orang Melayu yang low quality ini....cakap omputih pun tak betui
The thing is Tan Sri....I toootallly understand how you feel about this thing...
How can the market be one way traffic into Islam......that part jangan marah sama saya itu British punya pasal.....u kasi hantam sama itu Queen la....ajak sama itu HINDRAF sekali arung..
In 1874, the Treaty of Pangkor with the Malay rulers paved the way for the British who slowly but surely influenced the Malay states till the whole peninsula came under British rule. The Christian religion was sacrificed in favour of mere trade, for the treaty required non-interference in local religion. It became the hallmark of the British system to maintain a Christian presence solely for the colonial masters. This policy had a twofold effect on the history of Christian-Muslim relations in this nation. First, the sultans of each state have become the heads of the Muslim religion, and this right is entrenched in the Constitution of the nation. Secondly the Malays have been denied the privilege of receiving the Gospel… Whatever detailed adjustments might be made to this view, the treaty of 1874 underlies the clause in the present Constitution which provides religious freedom but forbids propagation of other religions to the Malays
Other than those touching religion and Custom: Pangkor Treaty Revisited (here)
Tu la pasal kan Tan Sri......

Dulu masa nak merdeka pun sempat selit sekali lagi .....

"By 1956 negotiations were underway for independence. A Commonwealth Commission with Lord Reid as Chairman was set up to draw up a constitution for independent Malaya. The key issues for Christians were religious freedom and the nature of the new state, whether Islamic or secular. A delegation from the Malaya Christian Council met the Reid Commission and presented a memorandum which called for religious freedom to be enshrined in the new constitution. Specifically the memorandum urged that all persons be equally entitled to freedom of conscience and have the right freely to choose, profess, practise and propagate any religion. The Malaya Christian Council defined religious freedom to include the right of Muslims to convert to Christianity. (Ryan, 1971, p.248)" Maria Kana MISSIONARY RESPONSES TO THE POLICY OF ISLAMISATION IN MALAYSIA (here)

Tapi takpe Tan Sri, saya rasa Tuhan Yesus dan Tuhan Alah akan paham perjuangan Tan Sri amat susah sekali ...Orang Islam kat Malaysia semua alim2, sembahyang 5 waktu, tak minum arak, tak main sana sini pastu selamba dog tak mandi hadas pun...

Enforcement capabilities of the state authorities pun canggih canggih giler kan Tan hypercharged-jetpacked Ustads boleh hover tangkap your dakwah kat dalam rumah2 orang Islam....baru nak Hellaluya aja pintu dah pecah kan ...

Tuhan Yesus pasti paham....

Satu lagi benda Tan Sri saya ni dah duduk kat Indonesia boleh tahan lama la jugak kut..banyak kawan kawan saya orang Kristen dia semua sembah Tuhan Alah bukan Allah macam orang Islam sebut..dulu kan saya pernah tulis bagi satu potential recommendation...kalau Tan Sri lupa saya tempel ka bawah

Lu pergi tanya semua orang Indonesia Muslim of course.... they'll say oh.....iya pak "Tuhan A-lah" not like our "Allw-Lah"......
 The sound of the words is the very the different la ahbengs...... You wanna know why?
Who were their preachers? Locals or Mat Salleh..... Ever heard a Mat Salleh non muslim say the word Allah?
Get it?
 Which is why i don't understand now why in the world the stupid government sent Nazri Aziz to negotiate with the East Malaysians
 If it was me at the negotiating table....
I would have ask for them to drop the silent L
So how Pakiam no deal? (here)
Maaf Tan Sri saya panggil Tan Sri ane dulu, saya tak akan buat itu macham lagi...

Macam mana mau deal la Tan Sri saya juga confuse la Tan Sri....kita ni ada sembah itu Tuhan sama ka Tan Sri...

Nama sudah sama...wah sebelum saya lupa Tan Sri sikit melencong if u don't mind..

Ini cerita pasal Nama punya pasal.....

Gua ada baca satu mamat sudah cakep ini machem...

"This notion that Malaysian Muslims need to be protected by the court because you can't think for yourself, you can't make decisions on your own. We are laughing at you," said Reza Aslan, speaking on BFM Radio's Evening Edition programme yesterday.

This "Scholar" also said....

 "Allah is constuction of the the word al-Ilah. That's what the word is," he explained. "Al-Ilah means 'The God'. Allah is not the name of God. Frankly, anyone who thinks that Allah is the name of God, is not just incorrect, but is going against the Quran itself. It is almost a blasphemous thought to think that Allah has a name. "And this is not an interpretation. It is a historical fact," Reza added.

Mari kita kasi sekolah sikit mamat ni

Tak payah pergi jauh pun

First lets check with some Arabic Lexicons shall we...
Abdul Manan Omar's Dictionary of the Quran

Not confident with that version....lets go to one of the most authoritative version...

Edward William Lane Arabic English Lexicon 1853 (here)

Wonder if this "Scholar" specialises in Linguistic?

UPDATE:2310 535PM: In case you're wondering what this "Scholar" specialises check this out 

First of all, Reza Aslan has continuously presented himself as a professor of religion. This is done in an attempt to sell his few books, which lack academic and credible references. In one of his recent interviews, Aslan claims, “I am a scholar of religions with four degrees including one in the New Testament . . . I am an expert with a Ph.D. in the history of religions . . . I am a professor of religions, including the New Testament – that’s what I do for a living, actually . . . To be clear, I want to emphasize one more time, I am a historian, I am a Ph.D. in the history of religions.” Aslan also recently said on Twitter, “I have a BA, MA and PhD in the history of Western Religions so yes, again, I am an ACTUAL expert in Judaism.”In actuality, Reza Aslan is not a “professor of religion,” and what he claims he does “for a living” is an outrageous inaccuracy. Reza Aslan is an associate professor in the Creative Writing program at the University of California, Riverside.  He teaches there based on his Master of Fine Arts degree in fiction from Iowa, (here
UPDATE 24/10 0102AM
Reza Aslan is also a Follower of Jesus

Q: Are you still a Christian?Reza Aslan: No, I wouldn’t call myself a Christian because I do not believe that Jesus is God, nor do I believe that he ever thought that he was God or that he ever said that he was God. But I am a follower of Jesus, and I think that sometimes, unfortunately – I think even Christians would recognize this and admit it – those two things aren’t always the same, being a Christian and being a follower of Jesus. (here)

Oh sorry Tan Sri....saya sudah merepek macham-macham....

Last question la Tan Sri.....

Ini pun saya dengar ada bunyi lain macham...

We, together with all peoples of goodwill, invoke the good sense of the thousands of Malay brothers and sisters, many of whom have greatly benefitted from the education offered in our mission schools and are familiar with our belief in God, to allow us to continue peacefully with our use of the sacred word Allah.
Apa pasal mau invoke these "special" Malay Brothers and Sisters yang dah familiar with your belief....

Ada jugak yang dah terlebih familiar kan Tan Sri....

Kan Tan Sri macham itu Jamalludin takkan Tan Sri sudah lupa

Bahawa kamu, Jamaluddin Othman alias Yeshua Jamaluddin, sejak tahun 1985 hingga ditangkap pada 27 Oktober 1987, telah melibatkan diri dalam satu rancangan untuk menyebarkan agama Kristian di kalangan orang-orang Melayu. Kegiatan kamu itu boleh mendorong kepada timbulnya suasana ketengangan dan permusuhan di antara masyarakat Islam dengan masyarakat Kristian di negara ini dan boleh memudharatkan keselamatan negara.

Itu case punya result pun Tan Sri takda lupa kan...

Alasan-Alasan Untuk Perintah TahananBahawa kamu, Jamaluddin Othman alias Yeshua Jamaluddin, sejak tahun 1985 hingga ditangkap pada 27 Oktober 1987, telah melibatkan diri dalam satu rancangan untuk menyebarkan agama Kristian di kalangan orang-orang Melayu. Kegiatan kamu itu boleh mendorong kepada timbulnya suasana ketengangan dan permusuhan di antara masyarakat Islam dengan masyarakat Kristian di negara ini dan boleh memudharatkan keselamatan negara.
The important words in that statement are ‘telah melibatkan diri dalam satu rancangan untuk menyebarkan agama Kristian di kalangan orang-orang Melayu’. Or in English ‘was involved in a plan or programme to propagate Christianity amongst Malays’.

The grounds become clearer when we look at the allegations of fact contained in the statement. The first allegation concerned participation in a group (in November 1985) at the First Baptist Church, Pantai Road, Petaling Jaya called the ‘Philip Cheong’s group’ said to be formed for the purpose of spreading Christianity among Malays. The second, third and fifth allegations concerned participation (in 1986) in a ‘khemah kerja’ (work camp) and participation in a ‘seminar on Islamic consultation’ (in Singapore). The fourth allegation alleged that the respondent converted into Christianity six Malays.

The sum total of the grounds for the detention was therefore the supposed involvement of the respondent in a plan or programme for the dissemination of Christianity among Malays. It is to be observed that the grounds do not, however, state that any actions have been done by the respondent except participation in meetings and seminars and that the fourth allegation alleged that the respondent converted into Christianity six Malays.
We do not think that mere participation in meetings and seminars can make a person a threat to the security of the country. As regards the alleged conversion of six Malays, even if it was true, it cannot in our opinion by itself be regarded as a threat to the security of the country.
As stated by this court in Inspector General of Police v Tan Sri Raja Khalid the Act was enacted under art 149 of the Federal Constitution and it is a piece of legislation essentially to prevent and combat subversion and actions prejudicial to public order and national security.
In Re Tan Sri Raja Khalid the authority had stated that they had reason to believe that the substantial losses suffered by a bank (with deposits from members of the armed forces) caused by the manner in which loans were approved through the acts of the detainee/applicant could evoke feelings of anger, agitation, dissatisfaction and resentment amongst members of the armed forces which in turn could lead them to resorting to violent actions and thereby affecting the security of the country. The trial judge there thought it to be incredible that losses sustained by a public bank where the depositors also included members of the public at large could result in any organized violence by the soldiers. This court was of the view that it would be naive to preclude the judge from making his own evaluation and assessment from an obvious statement of fact.
In the present case we are of the view that the grounds for the detention in this case read in the proper context are insufficient to fall within the scope of the Act. The guarantee provided by art 11 of the Constitution, i.e. the freedom to profess and practise one’s religion, must be given effect unless the actions of a person go well beyond what can normally be regarded as professing and practising one’s religion.The appeal is accordingly dismissed (here)

Tan Sri punya la happy siap publish besar besar dalam Herald 

Ayoyo banyak pening la saya Tan Sri.....

Saya juga gila rindu sama itu Samy Vellu...suda lama tara dengar dia cakap...Tan Sri kenal ka dia?

Kasi kirim salam cakap sama dia....saya banyak rindu...

Last one la Tan Sri ....saya janji Tan Sri 

Tan Sri ada cakap tadi "to allow us to continue peacefully with our use of the sacred word Allah"

Tan Sri tahu tak apa Allah cakap pasal Tan Sri punya Tuhan Yesus Kristus@Isa Al Masih

"inconceivable that a human being unto whom God had granted revelation, and sound judgment, and prophethood, should thereafter have said unto people, 'Worship me beside God'" (Ali Imran verse 79)
No point going there Tan Sri kan....sebab kalau Tan Sri boleh explain kat saya the whole Trinity Concept properly confirm saya isi borang masuk Kristian...ada brani Tan Sri ka?

Coming back to this peaceful usage ya Tan Sri....

Apa pasal la Tan Sri semua negara yang pakai Christian Allah semua tak berapa peaceful...bole Tan Sri cerita sedikit pengalaman para penganut di sana
Flirting with Disaster: An Analysis on the Demand for Religious Freedom in Malaysia : satD (here)

Ok la Tan Sri....

Saya pamitan duluan ya.....sehingga ketemu kembali...
Minds are like parachutes; they work best when open. -Lord Thomas Dewer