Do spend some time watching this video....
It's light and straight forward answer by the Bible Scholar who wrote Misquoting Jesus
So how now?
if the "Errors, Omission and Addition" number of words in all the various historical manuscripts is GREATER THAN Total Number of Words in the New Testament
How "suci" are the current texts?
What about Al Kitab?
Was it translated from the "Original" Received Texts in Hebrew or Greek?
I'm no expert on this but allow me to share with you what Louis A.Turk who is leading a translation project from RECEIVED TEXT into Bahasa Indonesia thinks of the Al Kitab go here for more
- The two Bibles published by the Lembaga Al-Kitab Indonesia are probably the most corrupt and perverted translation ever made in any language, and therefore do not provide a sound spiritual foundation upon which to build more
Most Corrupt and Perverted........Strong words don't you think?
Not only that it traces its origin to another corrupt Greek Text produced by Wescortt and Hort....
Parah doe!
Do read his thoughts on usage of Allah as well in the link above......
Anyway what is interesting about all of this is that.......
Why in "Allah's Name" did Jesus Christ became Yesus Kristus in Bahasa?
Is Isa not Christian enough for you?
The strange part is that Isa was USED before....
Between 1880 and 1929, the Singapore branch of the British and Foreign Bible Society (BFBS) expanded major efforts in translating the Bible into Malay.
The most prominent of these was the LMS missionary William Girdlestone Shellabear who gave us the first Malay Bible translation specifically in the Malay of what is now called Peninsular Malaysia. In this version Jesus was rendered Isa al-Maseh.
Shellabear is also remembered for the New Testament in Baba Malay. more here
Monkey been asking this question for a while to all the "Christian" Debaters in my comment section
None have answered.....
Ask any Malay Speaking Person......Who is Jesus Christ........
I bet you the Bulk of them would say Isa
Cause that's his Malay Name.......
So gua sekarang pening kepala siut...tak boleh belah siut...
What does that say?
Translators had a Multiple Choice Option? Dynamic Vs Formal Equivalence issue.....
Go figure....
If you are wondering what Jesus is called in other languages....below are some samples
Hebrew: YeshuaEnglish: JesusFrench: JésusGerman: JesusSwahilli: Jesus
Arabic: IsaGreek: Ιησούς
Chinese (Simplified Han): 耶稣Italian: GesùJapanese: イエス・キリストKorean: 예수Russian: ИисусSpanish: JesúsBulgarian: ИсусCzech: JežíšDutch: JezusEstonian: JeesusHaitian Creole: JeziHungarian: JézusRomanian: IsusThai: พระเยซูTurkish: Isa
Strange don't u think?
Bapak ikut Arab...Anak Ikut Orang Putih....
All of you by now would be aware of the "10 Point Solution" and how the issue of Al-Kitab is being used for the Serawak Election......
Should i even bother writing about it?........let me think......
Indulge me on this will ya...
Was it even a valid solution to begin with?
“We consider the 10-point solution to be an ad hoc and short term solution to the two consignments of Alkitab which have been impounded at Port Klang and Port of Kuching,” CFM president Ng Moon Hing told reporters More here
I totally agree with you Bishop Ng...
Not only that the "Solution" is against the Current Law which is still in dispute in the Herald's case...as how you've quoted....
He then cited three laws which were the root cause of the “problem”:• The 1982 prohibition of Alkitab and 1983 prohibition of “Perjanjian Baru” under the Internal Security Act on the grounds that the Alkitab is prejudicial to national security interests of Malaysia;• The 1986 administrative order prohibiting the use of the term “Allah” in Christian publications on the grounds of “public order” and prevention of misunderstanding betwen Muslims and Christians;• The Home Ministry’s guidelines of publications on the control of Quranic texts (Garis panduan bahagian kawalan dan penerbitan buku teks Al-Quran) prohibiting the use of Allah.
And this "solution" also has the Approval of Our 1Malaysia Prime Minister...
Jala also noted that Najib had personally penned a letter to the Christian Federation of Malaysia, confirming that the recently released 10-point solution on the bibles row had been the result of a collective decision made by himself as the prime minister and his Cabinet. more here
Now to the "disputed" ad-hoc solution...more specifically the "root of the problem"....Ask why a "harmless non confusing book" is considered a threat to National Security
Someone must come forward to share with us why the decision was to use ISA....as I've searched the cyberspace for clues......and u all by now would know my Googling level....
Perhaps someone can officially publish the numbers of Christian "Malays" let us see if there is a SIGNIFICANT THREAT...
Oh by the way I wonder on Point 6 of the "Solution"
Oh by the way I wonder on Point 6 of the "Solution"
In the spirit of 1Malaysia and recognising that many people travel between Sabah and Sarawak and Peninsula Malaysia, there should be no prohibitions and restrictions for people who bring along their bibles and Christian materials on such travel.Does that apply to sebijik for Personal Use or 1000 Bijik pun boleh?
Anyway folks.....Bishop Ng is a very powerful man these days....bagi statement sana sini.....
He starts and the rest follows......
Wonder who he is aligned to......
I want to also ask you all a Cepumas question.....
If the Church wield such power these days......
Will there be a Christian Party for PRU13?
Not possible? Go read here
Too hard to sell? Not Universal "Malaysian Malaysia" enough?
Ask yourself how many of our sitting MP's are Christians?
Think......
Some say they are Apolitical....
Oh really......
Look at this open Letter
Saudara-saudara jemaat di tanah air tercinta Sarawak, yang menjadi umat Allah Bapa dan Tuhan Yesus Kristus. Kami mengharap semoga Allah memberi berkat dan sejahtera kepada kalian.
We praise God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ that Sarawak is the only Christian majority state in Malaysia where half the population are Christians.
It is with our goodwill and blessings that we have allowed a Malay Muslim to be the Chief Minister of Sarawak since 1963 except for a brief period when a Christian held the position until he was unconstitutionally sacked in 1966 by the Federal government.
We also praise God that one in ten people in Malaysia are Christians.
In fact, two thirds of the Christians are Malay-speaking bumiputras in Sarawak and Sabah as well as Orang Asli in Malaya. We have been using the Malay Alkitab or the Iban Bup Kudus as our Holy Bible for generations.
Sarawak, together with Sabah, Singapore and Malaya formed Malaysia in 1963 under the Malaysia Agreement. Singapore left the federation two years later. Like the Malays, our special position as pribumis or natives is protected under Article 153 of the Federal Constitution.Sarawak has made its position abundantly clear in what is known as the 18-points (20-points in for Sabah) in drafting the Malaysia Agreement. Point #1 was on freedom of religion:
“While there was no objection to Islam being the national religion of Malaysia, there should be no state religion In Borneo (Sarawak and Sabah), and the provisions relating to Islam in the present Constitution of Malaya should not apply to Borneo.”
That was the spirit of the Malaysia Agreement even though this point was amended in the final draft.
East Malaysians were more than magnanimous in making this compromise to Umno. But recent events have forced us to come to the conclusion that there is a sinister anti-Christian agenda by Barisan Nasional especially by UMNO and its proxies in Sarawak.
This is unconstitutional.
Bishop Ng Moon Hing, chairman of the Christian Federation of Malaysia pointed out in a statement on 10 March 2011 over the illegal confiscation of 35,000 copies of the Alkitab:“It would appear as if the authorities are waging a continuous, surreptitious and systematic programme against Christians in Malaysia to deny them access to the Bible in Bahasa Malaysia.”
We have shown great tolerance despite provocative actions against our faith by the ruling coalition. But when the government desecrated 35,000 copies of our Alkitab which were illegally confiscated, it is our wake up-call to defend our constitutional right to profess, practise and propagate our faith. We have been betrayed by Barisan Nasional.
The incumbent Chief Minster and his cabinet, who have remained in office by our grace for 30 years, have proven to be incapable of defending freedom of religion in Sarawak. They, therefore, cannot expect to enjoy our trust in the coming state elections.
Even Pas, the Islamic Party, is against the position taken by the ruling coalition against the Alkitab and to prohibit bumiputra Christians from using the word Allah to refer to God.We wish to make it clear that we are not against Islam but only against Barisan Nasional ’anti-Christian’ agenda, particularly the recent desecration of 35,000 copies of our Alkitab. They were unconstitutionally impounded by the Home Ministry.
Barisan’s anti-Christian agenda began when Dr Mahathir Mohamad became prime Minister in July1981 when he banned the Alkitab under a Gazette Order made under the Internal Security Act in 1982.
When Christians objected, he amended it to a “restricted ban” for use only in churches.Despite this, various consignments of the Alkitab and Bahasa Christian publications were illegally confiscated by the Home Ministry by using the Publications and Printing Presses Act.The Bup Kudus or Iban Bible was banned in 2003 by Abdullah Ahmad Badawi when he was acting Prime Minister and Internal Security Minister. He relented when faced with Iban anger.Now under Prime Minister Najib Razak’s 1Malaysia, this harassment against the church and Christians continues unabated leading to the desecration of the 35,000 copies of the Alkitab by stamping it with serial numbers and the words “For Christianity Only.”
We can never agree to this because the Bible is meant for anyone interested. Only criminals are identified by serial numbers.
It is not that we have not compromised for the sake of peace.
We have even gone to the extent to imprint a large crucifix on the cover of Alkitab with the words “Penerbitan Kristian” or “Publication Christian” so that Muslims do not buy or receive the Alkitab by mistake.
The Alkitab and Bahasa Christian publications are now placed under the jurisdiction of the Quranic Text Division of the Home Ministry. The desecration of the Alkitab is done by this division.
The shortage of Alkitab in Sarawak, due to the ongoing illegal confiscation of our Holy Scriptures, has now reached a crisis.
Our children and grandchildren have no access to them since birth.
The evidence before us is that Barisan Nasional is persisting in completely wiping out our Christian Heritage in Sarawak and Sabah by pursuing its unconstitutional and illegal anti-Christian agenda.
Sidang Injil Baru Sarawak, therefore, advises Christians to vote wisely in the coming state elections on 16 April 2011. You do not necessarily have to vote for the Opposition. Vote only for candidates, including those from Barisan Nasional, whom you feel can act with a clear conscience and integrity and a proven record of defending the freedom of religion.Our Christian heritage is at stake. Act now. Vote wisely. Pray for divine intervention.… time is running out. Wake up, for our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. (Romans 13:11 NLT).Kasih karunia dan damai sejahtera menyertai kamu.Sidang Injil Baru, SarawakSri Aman30 Mar 2011 Go here
Powerrrrrrr....brader........
Sidang Injil Baru????? Baru bila beb......suddenly Christians Groups are appearing out of nowhere..
Or what about the SMS's Vote for Jesus thinggy
Today the Council of Churches Malaysia has rejected the Government's 10-point solution on the al-Kitab. Vote against BN is a vote for Jesus. BN is an anti-Christ agent. Christians are being discriminated and rights in Constitution denied. Dont vote for BN. "If you are a true Christian, send this message to 8 other Christians."
For real beb...
Is Jesus going for Election?
What post?If you don't mind me asking....
Dangerous times we have ahead don't you think........read here about the future possibilities and the path we may take
As expected.....the Muslim Groups will be protesting....
KUALA LUMPUR, April 14 – Muslim groups will protest tomorrow against Putrajaya’s release of Malay-language bibles, after Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak promised yesterday that his administration would never again impound bibles.
The Muslim Organisations in Defence of Islam (Pembela)’s protest here would occur a day before Sarawak, where half of its population is made up of Christians, goes to polls.“We are organising the assembly to express our opinions and the voices of Muslim groups who represent the Muslim community to defend the sanctity of Islam as the country’s official religion,”
Pembela spokesman Dr Yusri Mohamad told The Malaysian Insider today.“The assembly is to protest the government’s action in allowing Bahasa Malaysia bibles, including the usage of the word ‘Allah’,” he added.
Yusri said Pembela also opposed the Najib administration’s decision to release 35,100 copies of the Alkitab that the Home Ministry had impounded at the Port Klang and Kuching ports.“We see there are efforts and an inclination to dispute the position of Islam, so what we are doing is just to express our protest,” said Yusri.
“We want to defend the position of Islam in the country so that it is not disputed,” he added.Pembela, a coalition of 20 Muslim bodies, will organise the protest after Friday prayers at the National Mosque tomorrow, said Yusri. More here
Keep it Civil folks.....
Why National Mosque?
Go to Putrajaya Mosque la Pakcik baru macho...betul betul depan Office Najib
And lu tak buat perangai dalam Masjid.....
Allow me to leave you with a short quote from God in translation: deities in cross-cultural discourse in the biblical world By Mark S. Smith
Opps sebelum gua lupe allow me to address the Bible Society of Malaysia
In conclusion, as the Malay proverb goes: Tak ada gading yang tak retak (literally ‘There is no ivory without cracks’, meaning ‘Nothing is perfect’), so this Revised Malay Bible (TMV96) is like other translations – it can still be improved. In common with other living languages, Malay vocabulary, grammar, discourse and style are never stationary. They change from time to time, and it is the usage of the Malay native speakers that brings about such change. So, BSM, as the servant of the Malaysian churches, cordially welcomes comments, corrections, and suggestions for improvement. Let us for now give this Revised Malay Alkitab a chance to be used for the nurture of the Malaysian churches nation-wide, especially for those who are first or second language speakers of Malay, and those who continuously use the national language at school, at work, at home and at play, in mass and worship services, as well as in other church functions and activities.more here
DUDE someone wrongly translated "Allah" 400 years ago...It's about time to admit the mistake..
To be honest I think the Government should fund a proper translation from Received Greek Text...kesian all the Anak Anak Allah Sesat...
Maka Yesuspun mulai berbicara dan mengajar mereka, kata-Nya:Berbahagialah orang yang miskin di hadapan Allah, karena merekalah yang empunya Kerajaan Sorga.Berbahagialah orang yang berdukacita, karena mereka akan dihibur.Berbahagialah orang yang lemah lembut, karena mereka akan memiliki bumi.Berbahagialah orang yang lapar dan haus akan kebenaran, karena mereka akan dipuaskan.Berbahagialah orang yang murah hatinya, karena mereka akan beroleh kemurahan.Berbahagialah orang yang suci hatinya, karena mereka akan melihat Allah.
Berbahagialah orang yang membawa damai, karena mereka akan disebut anak-anak Allah.
Berbahagialah orang yang dianiaya oleh sebab kebenaran, karena merekalah yang empunya Kerajaan Sorga.Berbahagialah kamu, jika karena Aku kamu dicela dan dianiaya dan kepadamu difitnahkan segala yang jahat.Bersukacita dan bergembiralah, karena upahmu besar di sorga, sebab demikian juga telah dianiaya nabi-nabi yang sebelum kamu. Mathius 5-12 Al Kitab
Berapa orang anak "Allah" kamu?